A very important discussion for those who thinks lines change with our thoughts

[dhruva7]

Well after seeing many places every palmists talk about lines change when you start changing your way of thinking . . . But actually i dont think like that . Here i will put my best reasons to satisfy everyone and will try to remove this confusion
Here are reasons behind it

1. Palmistry and astrology is works together , i meant if anyone is very good in palmistry he can predict future exactly like astrology do or even better than astrology. If someone says he/she can change destiny just via changing thought and can create new lines so what the significance of astrological reading. In my whole life of palmistry career i have never found anyone  who was able to change his destiny via changing his thought.
Actually development of thoughts starts when planet changes their positions from one house to other and the effect of that changes can be seen in your palm too but but but you should be very good palmist to know how planets defeating your way of thought. . . .

2. I have a case of my friend , he is having half saturn ring (that is the worst sign i have seen if found) , saturn ring gives the bad effects of saturn planet as every good palmist knows that . . . So i told  my friend to change his metallity so his line will get changed and  bad effect of this line will get minimized he tried doing his best , but again he failed to do continuously

3. Another guy , 17 years old school student shown his palm , his heart line was badly effected , also it was also showing he is not good in friendship , in relation management , having bad relation with his mother. So i told him try to make many friends , dont eight with his mommy many things will change . He also promised but i met after 7 days and found that he also failed doing this.

So what actually i meant you cant change the basic nature of person as you cant change three basic lines . Also if astrology and palmistry moves parlally than how you can change your destiny just via changing your thought. . .

If i am wrong put your comment on that thing . . . We can have good discussion

[Pravin Kumar]

Dhruvaji,

Either your experience is much less or you have not come across people whose lines have changed. To change lines is no doubt very difficult but when a person is trapped in a situation like certain death facing an oncoming fast vehicle which way he will jump out through reflex action no one knows. Similarly anything that impresses a brain to such an extent as described above can change a person totally from negative to positive or even vice versa.

Lines change and this is the observation of many many world's best palmist and mine too. Great Saints say they can change the thinking of a person just through brain washing but they do it in such a way that a person reforms totally. Not all reform but only those who have total faith in such Saints are lucky to have their destiny changed. People have come back to life even after death within 90 minutes of death. How does it happen? Again Saints have the power to revive a person from death to life and they do it very very rarely in special circumstances. In such a case how will you read the palm and what value does the palm reading or even astrological reading have of that person.

In G.D. Birla's book on palm lines which have changed he has given various examples of a person's palm 1 year back and then changed after 1 year. He has given both the prints. You can find that even in Google if you search for G.D. Birla Palmist from Canada.

Palmistry and Astrology do match on important matters but yet differ. What Astrology cannot say Palmistry does and vice versa. It is like this some diseases have no cure in allopathy but does have a definite cure in Homeopathy and some have no cure in Homeopathy but have a cure in Ayurveda and some get treated and get well through Acupressure. One person specialises in treating a person through Acute Acupressure and realigning the Spinal Chord. He will just look at your naked body and tell which nerves are out of alignment and which vertebrae is pressed deep and needs pulling out and what has been the effect of that vertebrae. He has cured people with extreme T.B. within 10 days which expert Doctors cannot do it in 2 years. He has cured people with Paralysis sometimes in 2 days to 1 month. In a patient just near my house he treated that lady and first healed her right hand which was paralytic and the next day the right leg and she could just sit up and walk.

So there are many many things you will yourself come across when you grow up and see the world around. I need not mention many many more examples as the above will be sufficient. One girl of 34 when she joined this forum had her palm read, got astrological reading, numerological readings etc. etc. but could not get a mate for herself. It took her 6 years and I happened to meet her last year October and now I find the line of Husband so prominent which was not there in her palm. I predicted through intuition that she may come across her husband in December 2009. I predicted this in October 2009. She has already met that man and is on the verge of great happiness which should soon come her way. This is another instance of change of line and that too a prominent line in anyone's hand. I cannot mention her name for privacy reason. Once she gets married I shall ask her to reply in this very forum.

Pravin Kumar

[dhruva7]

Well what actually i wanted to say you didnt read it properly. . . For me my prediction method is not always based on lines. I mostly rely on planets position on palm. . . . Lines change according to the planets position
For example if i consider myself , 5 years ago i  had no sun line, now i have 2 long sun line and 2 long luck line. . . .
But at that age i was new to palmistry had very basic knowledge. Now after 5 years of my study i realised how palm lines change. . .
Palm lines change only when a planet transition takes place , and that transition of planet can be seen in your palm too but for that you need to have very deep knowledge to see how planets moving in your palm. . . The effect of that transition changes lines , lines does not change via changing thoughts thats what i meant

[solisill]

The book by Ghanshyam Birla Singh is indeed a very good book on the subject of palmistry.  You are correct that there are cycles which are guided by the planetary bodies, for example the seasons are a very good example.  Since our spirit is actually composed of influences from these planetary bodies, thus they do influence a mans being.  However, our behavior is also an integral part in our future.  Although the sun sends it rays, it is up to a man to be able to receive and make use of it.  

However, the topic you are talking about seems more relevant to the topic of free will vs. predetermined future.  I think you are suggesting that a man has no control over his future, and that he is guided by forces he has no control off.  But it must be obvious to you that you have full control over your behavior, you can walk and talk as you please you are not forced to perform any actions by some force.    Palmistry was of course founded by the holy rishi's who used to live in India.  They founded it upon principles such as reincarnation and karma, and they used it as a means to reach into the spiritual world, which is why they did things such as meditation and yoga also.  Their belief was that a man was like a magnet and was attracted to certain situations, that his spirit was attracted to certain situations.  For example, a man who made fun of and picked on others would contain that energy, and that energy would transform into a weak body in his next life.  Such a man would be picked on by others just as he had done in the past, but of course the man has free will.  A man who is picked on usually contains the energy of wanting to grow bigger and pick on others.  However, here is his free will he can choose to pick on others thus perpetuating the cycle, or he can forgive those who have picked on him and cleanse his karma.  The events that occur in a mans life are simply the return of energy back onto a person.  A man who is rich was poor before, a man who is good looking was ugly before, this was of course the doctrine of the holy rishi's and it was of course re iterated later by the Buddha.  I am of course re iterating the doctrine of men i mentioned, and it is up to you to believe whatever you want.    

If you were to study the ancient hindu texts, or even if you study kabbalah they mention the different worlds.  That there is a causal world, astral world, physical world and so on and so forth, and both maintain that mans thought founds the causal world.  If you were to study heremetic philosophy they also maintain the same thing, or even the famous book and movie called "the secret."  It claims that a man's thoughts are the founders of his reality and the physical world he perceives.  This is my belief, you do not have to believe it, you are free to believe what you want.

[dhruva7]

Well solisil

I not am disagree with your words whatever you told and the information is very helpful too. . . . .

But now what you need to do is practical , but for that you need great knowledge of palmistry specially mounts of palm . . . So first you need to start telling future of your friends with palm,   year and month wise ,and now use his birthchart  to predict his prediction using transition of planets you will always find it exactly matching because i have done it many times on many ppl . . .

Another thing according to astrology every person having different behaviour , different eye colors, hair color , lips  structure, chin , cheeks , nose ,because of the  of planets on his life. . . . For example if someone is having great effect of moon on his life he looks great, innocent , child like body skin, attractive face , small height . . . Also his behaviour is also governed by moon
But in palmistry you need to find the prominent planet on palm(its not easy to do without great practice) than which planet is evil effect on his life , which is having medium effect and many other factors .

So after deep analysis you can say palmistry and astrology is parallel to each other

Also you talked about reincarnation and effect of karma on palm but in astrology , astrologers also believe on it not only in palmistry .  But who bothers about past birth everyone live in present and they are not worried about next birth . . . .

I didnt read the book of  Mr. Birla as i never wanted to read it because to learn palmistry is not reading books you need to read palms and create your database.

So if we say someone can brainwash your brain and he can change your line then you will must find signs in your birthchart also in palmistry that someone is going to effect his life badly. Our palmistry knowledge is still not that sharp that we can know it but we can try our best to do

[Pravin Kumar]

Dhruvaji,

This is what I commented upon when I replied to your above post:

In my whole life of palmistry career i have never found anyone  who was able to change his destiny via changing his thought.

I am not referring to astrology as I do not have knowledge of astrology. It is an added advantage if you have knowledge of astrology and what you are trying to interpret quite a few have done so before but there is no detailed book on that where one can understand how it is done.

As for changing the thoughts of an expert you are not an expert. Those who do so are very good. One never says you do not fight and he will stop fighting. Examples are given in a different way. I give you some examples:

I met my Sadguru in July 1995 when he had paralysis in his left hand and left leg. He looked at me and knew immediately everything about me. He started talking thus:

He referred to Raja Dashrath (King Rama's Father). who did not have child till then. Raja Dashrath went to his Guru Valmiki and asked HIM for a child. Said Valmiki to Raja Dashrath: Aapko Baccha hoga lekin pehle aapko paap karna padega.

Raja Dashrath: Paap Karna padega?

After that Raja Dashrath went for hunting animals in the forest where he innocently killed Shravan Kumar . Paap in Satyug. Now the crime is committed and Raja Dashrath gets a child whom he names Rama.

King Rama kept the promise of His Father given to Queen Keykai and went to Forest and you know the rest.

What HE implied was: Parents are above everyone else. Those who come to me get knowledge. Those who go to God get Blessings but those who serve their Parents then God comes to such people and asks like the Gin in Alladin and 40 Thieves: What do you want?

So HE implied that serving one's parents is the greatest Punya.

I stay with my parents throughout. HE knew that and HE implied that in his story which reinforces one's thoughts.

HE changed the mind of my youngest son right in front of us. I can't tell you how HE did it.

HE had millions and millions of Rupees and lots of properties and one day while I sat with HIM HE said this:

Pravin I sold a little property of my Dad and with the money I celebrate 6 festivals. I spend so much on Rice, so much on wheat, Dal and Vegetables and asked me to total the amount. It came to Rs.4,00,000/- in 1995. What HE implied was HE lived in Dhoti Kurta and did not spend on HIMSELF but still HE served others and HE even distributed wealth, gave dowry by marrying off girls, HE gave food to all those who came to HIM and HE also healed others. Now the question is why did HE do this. This set me off thinking. This is how you influence a person and never say anything directly.

There are so many other facts. HE changed one Dacoit who died through Snake Bite. People went to HIM to give the message. HE came back, picked the poisonous snake, who bit HIM too, patted it and said why did you bite that person. HE left the snake in the jungles and came back and brought the Dacoit to life again. That person totally reformed and became HIS most ardent follower.

If you go to such persons you will understand how they change and you will not find any confirmation also in the palms of such persons for what they do only God can do. HE was once attacked by 14 Dacoits who asked HIM to hand over all the Silver Utensil (Thali, Spoon, Glass and Katori) 500 in numbers. Suddenly one finds 14 Babas with Wooden stick in their hand thrashing these Dacoits. When the Dacoits begged mercy HE gave them food in the same Silver Vessels and asked them to take away. Dacoits were so reformed that they bowed their head in shame. This is how one is reformed.

If we could do all this so easily we would be also Saints or Mahan Atma.

Pravin Kumar

[happi]

In my whole life of palmistry career i have never found anyone  who was able to change his destiny via changing his thought.



so did you just admit that we cant change anything by changing our thoughts. i seen many people who got reading from you and you said that life is in our control and our mind is what makes our destiny.

[Pravin Kumar]

Happiji,

If we control our mind we can easily change our actions and our destiny as also the lines in our hand. But if the lines do not change and our mind changes our destiny then that is enough.

Just look at the palm of young children. You will find bare minimum lines -- only the important ones. Gradually as the child grows and as a child's mind is impressionable more lines start developing and also influence lines come into play. After 18/21 the palm lines become static as the mind is now steady. Now the changes in the palm will only be if the person is impressed totally by something in life.

Now why do the lines change in young age? Does astrology have any answer? Surely stars/planets change within those periods then why the changes in young children and not so much in grownups?

In my own palm and those of my family members very few lines have changed in last 22 years. Have not planets changed and their effects?

Why do we change our thoughts when we come into contact with a genius person? There are so many person who specialise in motivating people through their speeches. What is the end result of this. Quite a few do change and there is therefore such a reflection in the palms too.

Pravin Kumar  

[happi]

i was just looking at my cousin new born daughter palm. she was only 2 weeks old and i looked her palm and she have all the main lines, including fate and relationship lines. i think i should post a print of her palm here.