Rohiniranjan wrote:RishiRahul wrote:
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Let me explain: Krishnamurthy takes the cusp as vedic bhavamadhya.
Its as simple as that.
This cusp/bhavamadhya is seen to give good results (regarding the bhava), when we take its star & sub.
Again there are many systems of house cusp, campanus, etc etc.
Out of which the porphyry system is the closest to krishnamurthy, and then sss took birth.
Not so much worried about sss now as sss will need time to prove its credibility.
Since I always believed, thru experience, that porphyry/sripati padhhati is correct.
Then later I found much sense in krishnamurthy/placidus; and Krishnamurthy aims/claims for more accuracy.
This made me realise that if we follow the K.P. method to find out the better between the two mentioned!
I know this is laborious, and needs very accurate birthtimes.
Rishi
Rishi,
My understanding always has been that Krishnamurthy used Placidus cusps because in his 'day' Raphael's Tables of Houses was the dominant reference book (which then inspired Lahiri to publish his Tables of ascendants and houses later on, for the Jyotishis. Please remember that in those days there were no computers and many jyotishis did not have the knowledge to create horoscopes 'from scratch'!
Krishnamurthy used Placidus and also placed the cusp at the beginning of the KP houses for star and sub determination. Not bhava madhya. He never explained to my best recall why he chose to depart from the Jyotish norm of Sripati/Equal House/Whole sign house!
Rishi=My mistake again in putting things to words. Bad elaborating from my side.
Yes, krishnamuthy takes cusp as bhavamadhya (ie: 1st. cusp as lagna degree & finds its star & sub). Sorry for confusing; but takes the first house to be bhavamadhya.
He takes the first house to be: The bhavamadhya of the first house to the bhavamadhya of the second house.
Krishnamurthy practiced in South India which is close to equator and there the Sripati or Placidus or Regiomontanus or whatever do not make a large difference! The closer to the poles one is born, when one sees the eccentricities (maybe there is a more appropriate term!) of these unequal house systems emerge with intercepted signs and so on and so forth!
Rishi=True, that it does not make a large difference at/near the equator
Also, remember that Krishnamurthy by and large developed his system using horary techniques and not so much natal horoscopy! Most clients approaching him locally, where the charts were drawn. Hence that further limited the 'effect' of variability or anomalies due to his choice of the western house systems.
Rishi=Krishnamurthy had 5 readers written by himself.
Later other readers came up written by his sons/followers.
1st. reader=casting the horoscope (i do not have this book)
2nd. reader= Fundamental principals of astrology
3rd. reader= predictive stellar astrology
4th. reader= marriage, married life & children
5th. reader=transit- gocharphala ninayam
6th. reader= horary astrology
I have the above 5 readers, and have gone through them extensively.
Krishnamurthy emphasises the horary use in all books, but have also given extensive rules with examples for natal.
Other books have later come out by his son, Hariharan, etc.
Porphyri or Sripati and Placidus are NOT similar! Sripati/Porphyri is a very approximate averaging system that uses TWO measured points: Cusp of the 1st house and Medium Coeli and then derives the opposite cusps therefrom (by adding the signs) and then trisects the four quadrants created by TWO MEASURED/CALCULATED points!
Rishi=I am aware of the calculation process differences, as I had to calculate sripathi padhhati alias Porphyry method when computers were not available.
Not much aware of the logic behind 'ganitha'; but you have a point there
Placidus uses a slightly more complex algorithm which involves more calculations as opposed to the simpler and perhaps simplistic Sripati and Porphyri calculations!
Rishi=Yes.
This is not the first time I am stating this and had it been someone else but you, I would not have bothered to clarify! But you possibly missed the earlier times I posted this same simple thing which people particularly in Jyotish Internet fora gloss over, or ignore thinking about!
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