Two missing aricles

[RosePetal]

Where are the two missing articles?

RosePetal

[Airgon]

Hi,

Did you notice that a 11:40 pm time
puts the ascendant in Gemini indicative
of two boys ( Gemini a dual sign ) and
gemini ruled by mercury - young male.

THis may be helpful as I think there
was some mention of reporting the
missing boys at after 11 pm...

[RosePetal]

Yes Airgon that is true.

Maybe the simpler question would be;

What happened to the two boys?

RosePetal

[Airgon]

Hi RosePetal,
Ok so I am exploring the chart as we go along here.

If we use the 17:30 time we get the chart enclosed below.

If it is the two boys I would use the 5th house ruler
of children which as above is Gemini - dual sign
and ruled by Mercury - Mercury is intercepted in
the 8th house - Mercury is square Neptune ( in the
12th ) and sextile Mars ( in the seventh ).

Interesting to note "Part of Murder" at 8 degrees
and 44 minutes Capricorn in the 12th ( or the
8th house derived from the 5th house ) is square
Saturn in the  9th - Saturn disposed by Venus
and Venus in the 8th.

Have you used the Anti-Vertex method of
finding the direction ? Anti-Vertex pointing to
the position of East and then taking the ruler
Mercury and working the difference out to get
the true compass direction ?

[Airgon]

Here is the locality chart indicating a diagonal
path of South by West...

[RosePetal]

I have the two boys going in a North East direction. I think that they were with two girls. But I could be wrong on the direction because it doesn't make sense,  since there is no house in that direction and I have the two boys walking and then entering a house with the girls.  Since Leo is in one of the signs I think they went to a party. I have tried to do the distance but have failed miserably.

[Airgon]

How was North East arrived at ? Using the 8th house ?
8th being the derived 2nd from the 7th ( 7+2=8)...

and what distance formula was applied ?

[RosePetal]

I used the grouping of the most planets in a sign as per;

Direction is not always so obvious, in part because of the frequency of having mixed indicators. The general idea is this: take the major Significators in the chart. Examine their location by sign and by house. If the bulk of the planets are either in one house or one sign, then you can translate this into compass location using the cardinal points of the chart,: the Ascendant as East, etc.
I used the two finger method for distance, two fingers in the sky for two miles, North East?

[Airgon]

Hummm - I guess this is where the discussion
gains from elucidation...

I always had the idea that perhaps some charts
one cannot get the ruler due to lack of the
astrologer understanding the query related
to the chart. In that case one would use
what ? I was considering just searching
in the direction ( and the reverse direction ) of
each ruler sequentially - as enclosed..

Most of the rulers are in the South West quadrant
so reversed would be North East - The reversal is
a possiblity but usually I only use this after a very
thorough search of the indicated direction.. but seems
okay - a congruent result but by differing logic.

I am not sure I understand the reasoning with the
two fingers... sort of astronomy I guess :)

I use the North latitude ( which Mercury is in ) to
get the multiplier of the angular distance in degrees
between the significator ( Mercury ) and the Moon.
About 65 degrees and the multiplier for North Latitudes
in Succedent house is 2 miles .. 2 miles by 65 degrees
is 130 miles. Astrology loves mixing units :)


The idea being if you lay the Locality chart over the
original position - and go either one way or the other
along the direction either toward or away from but
in the same straight line then in this case you get
South West or North East you get to the "lost article".

There are other approaches to this issue though :)
especially if the natal charts are available...

[Airgon]

Interesting that in addition to the locality chart
if we take Mercury in Virgo - that by Sign gives
South by West. The concept being to get direction
go by Sign and then when at the distance
described by the chart - go by house - by
house is 8th west by south...

Still relatively in agreement with the Locality chart.

[RosePetal]

Ah, I see where you are going with this. There are two rulers of the 8th house. So one 'lost' is ENE and the other 'lost' is WSW.  Got it, I had been able to do that, but what I was trying to do is find the direction the boys went in to party with the girls when they left home and how far from home they were. I came up with 2 miles NE, but I have to be wrong because there is no house, meaning brick and mortar, 2 miles NE of where the boys left home.
Neptune is also secrets so I think the boys had a secret, which got them into trouble in the first place, I think,  but I have not been able to figure out how to unravel their secret. Do you know how to do that? I do have the natal charts and will put them up after I take the personal data off.

[RosePetal]

Yes, you are right, Virgo is one 'lost' and Pisces is the other 'lost'

[Airgon]

One thing is not clear to me though - when were
the authorities called - so to speak an official
notice of the boys being missing ? Usually,
using that moment gives the solution.

Mercury is an alluring ruler in this case though ...

[RosePetal]

The Police were called approximately 12:00 midnight.

Mercury? I thought it was Neptune which is clouding the findings? It certainly is throwing up a lot of smoke and mirrors. For me anyways.

[RosePetal]

Airgon, This is the chart I started with. I had to delete the chart because it didn't go through properly. I will try again.......in a bit.